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Saturday, March 13, 2010

Ideas for Wiki-Debate.com / DebateSherpa.com

Further Developed Ideas for Wiki-Debate.com / DebateSherpa.com

By Dan Abrams

 

First Draft "Executive Summary"

 

RAISON D'ETRE: Wiki-Debate.com / DebateSherpa.com will enable users to engage in global debates that actually connect the "echo chambers" and definitively resolve specious arguments so that those debates can be more productive.

 

FEATURES:

 

1) Anyone can establish himself/herself as a "Debate Sherpa"; this is someone who frames a given debate and provides succinct overviews of that debate's relevant points with links to credible sources.

 

2) Users can be introduced to the site by a Debate Sherpa they know or they can search for Debate Sherpas that have particular interests, beliefs or bona-fides.

 

3) Every page can be referenced and linked-to by anyone else. In this way any Debate Sherpa preaching to his choir can be effectively challenged by any other Debate Sherpa.

 

4) Every argument (web page) can be searched for its "back links" to supporting arguments/links AND ALSO to its counter arguments (both on the site and on other sites). In this way users can see  "what the other side is thinking" from its perspective. This is in stark contrast to current discourse vulnerable to intellectually poisoning by a disingenuously framed debate that includes straw men, misrepresents opposition and excludes valid counter-arguments.

 

5) Every URL/link referenced in a debate can be searched for its "back links" to supporting arguments AND ALSO to its counter arguments (both on the site and on other sites). In this way users can search the site to see if a given argument (posted elsewhere on the web) has a counter-argument.

 

6) By requiring undeletable pages there can be no fraudulent "rewriting of history". Rewritten pages can be featured on old (subsequently disavowed) pages but nothing is ever erased. This permanence may (hopefully) discourage the "trolls" and "flame throwers" so toxic to productive debate while simultaneously encouraging more thoughtful arguments. Let the million+ other blogs be where people spew their first drafts. Wiki-Debate.com will be where they come to craft their final drafts and seek definitive arguments from others.

 

7) Popular Debate Sherpas can gain followings and enable subscriptions to their debates. Popular arguments can be referenced and thus popularize effective Debate Sherpas. Even effective debaters (pundits, talk show hosts etc.) not yet on Wiki-Debate.com can still be utilized in productive debates and thus encourage further adoption by their respective fans.

 

8) By precluding anonymity and requiring a higher level of authentication, Wiki-Debate.com will encourage accountability and further discourage the "trolls" and "flame throwers".

 

9) By enabling our own "Wiki-Debate.com's Producitve Debate Code" there will be more accountability and thus necessarily more corrections and less tolerance of specious and previously discredited arguments.

 

 

 

First Draft "Mission Statement" / Market Need

 

The Problem that this Venture Seeks to Address:

Productive debates are rare but should be popular.

 

All too often, important debates are made toxic by Machiavellian pundits, politicians and powerbrokers. They cynically win short-term political points with a facile-minded audience by using old, specious arguments (or blatant lies) that others have repeatedly, objectively disproven using unassailable evidence and logic.

 

Other websites have sought to address this problem with varying degrees of success. One set is the "fact-checking" sites that respond to quotes made by prominent players in a debate. They do research and come up with their evidence for why they deem a quote to be true or false. The big sites in this set include:

- www.Politifact.com

- www.FactCheck.org

- www.MediaMatters.org

- www.snopes.com

- www.truthorfiction.com

- (every political party and office tends to have their own "fact check" site)

 

But none of them provide a fair and overarching framework for debates to be organized. Another set of sites specifically seeks to address this problem. The main sites in this set include:

- www.DebateMaps.com

- debatepedia.idebate.org

- www.createdebate.com

However none is particularly intuitive or well organized. Debatepedia seems to suffer from particularly simplistic paradigms that assume there are only two sides to an argument.

 

The debate sites and all "fact check" sites have a fairly stark lack of "universal accountability" in that the user is supposed to just trust them. When they choose to provide sources with external links as validation this seems to work out fine. However "universal accountability" is crucial, and by that term I mean a method for inclusion of all possible counter-arguments and evidence.

 

Consequently, the same debates tend to happen in every corner of the internet and unfortunately these corners tend to be "echo chambers" of like-minded zealots. False information that, if true, would buttress their arguments gets easily spread which further toxifies public discourse.

 

There is currently no integration of the opposing sites. There is currently no consistent, reliable, efficient way to ensure all points of view are directly addressed so that bogus arguments can be more easily dismissed. Let's stop having the same B.S. debates and make some progress. Wiki-Debate.com will be that solution.


Goal of this Venture:


Promote "Productive Debate" of important issues.  (see acronym "OHELOALT")

            Defined as:            • Open-minded

                                    • Honest

                                    • Evidence-based

                                    • Logical

                                    • Organized

                                    • Accountable

                                    • Lasting

                                    • Thorough

            There is reasoning behind that particular order of priorities which I'd be             happy to explain to you later.

 

Foundation:

 

One of the most important first steps in a productive debate is the elimination of misunderstandings. The most useless debates are those between two sides that actually agree but didn't first effectively attempt to understand each other.

 

It is useful, not to mention inspiring, to hold the foundational belief that, in any debate, "When each side knows everything the other side knows and both sides adhere to logic and reason then there will be the greatest chance at agreement". In so doing, the only possibilities for a lack of consensus must then be based on differing priorities. I have a consequential belief that priorities themselves can (and eventually must) be reviewed with equal rigor resulting in more commonly-accepted priorities. In that way, we may begin with as much "common ground" and agreed-upon "first principles" as possible. Then our debates will be most productive.

 

MUCH, MUCH MORE TO COME…

3 comments:

雅芳 said...
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Corpania said...

on May 1, 2010 President Barack Obama gave a commencement speech, coincidentally at my alma mater (University of Michigan) where he said…

"For if we choose only to expose ourselves to opinions and viewpoints that are in line with our own, studies suggest that we will become more polarized and set in our ways. And that will only reinforce and even deepen the political divides in this country. But if we choose to actively seek out information that challenges our assumptions and our beliefs, perhaps we can begin to understand where the people who disagree with us are coming from.

This of course requires that we all agree on a certain set of facts to debate from, and that is why we need a vibrant and thriving news business that is separate from opinion makers and talking heads. As Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan famously said, "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts."

Still, if you're someone who only reads the editorial page of The New York Times, try glancing at the page of The Wall Street Journal once in awhile. If you're a fan of Glenn Beck or Rush Limbaugh, try reading a few columns on the Huffington Post website. It may make your blood boil; your mind may not often be changed. But the practice of listening to opposing views is essential for effective citizenship. ... You'll learn what it's like to walk in someone else's shoes, and in the process, you'll help make this democracy work."


CBS NEWS LINK w/ Transcript

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/05/01/national/main6450952.shtml

Corpania said...

Former president Bill Clinton interviewed on PBS's new series "Need to Know" said:
http://video.pbs.org/video/1488168546/

""The good news is that people who are comfortable in cyberspace can get more information more quickly than ever before. The bad news is that you often don't even know if the facts are right.
...
The thing I worry about is the loss of a common fact base.
...
The atomization of the communication network have given us access to more information than ever before, but it has made it more difficult to have a common dialog. The economic pressures on the media, on the news magazines, on the daily papers, all this stuff is making it more difficult to have a common dialog.
...
The other thing I think it's worth pointing out, is that it's human nature to be around people who like you, but that's not good in politics.
...
In politics you need to talk to people that disagree with you.
"

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